1/31/2015
1/29/2015
LA Duo Howls to Release new song "White Noise"
Los Angeles Duo Howls to Release New Single “White Noise”
On Buddyhead Records
Listen: Soundcloud / Bullet Media
Los Angeles’s duo Howls, are set to release their newest single “White Noise” on Buddyhead Records on February 3rd. “White Noise” marks a new direction for the band who’s self-titled debut, released last year, was praised by Philthy Magazine as "...the sexiest record of the year." and the Aquarian said “Not only does Howls instill a charmingly magnetic vibe into each song, the duo also mesmerizes listeners with tranquil melodies that channel thrilling emotions.”
After wearing many musical hats, Howls were inspired to take their music in a different direction, “because music should be fun sometimes too,” says Howls female half Annalee Fery. Howls debut album was guitar driven brooding electronica, and this newest song was penned with the intention of making people want to dance. This new direction marks a big first for the band. This is the first time they brought in an outside producer, Jon Siebels, to help them capture the sound of “White Noise.”
“We’ve always dabbled in different instrumentation in Howls,” says guitarist Christian Stone. “ White Noise started out as an idea at rehearsal and became a staple of our live show as a guitar-based thing. We tried recording it this way but we weren’t happy with the results at all… So we decided, to experiment, and brought in producer Jon Siebels. He stripped away all the ‘traditional’ instrumentation and really focused on synths and programmed drums instead. Suddenly the song made sense!”
Despite the new sonic direction, Howls have retained their signature juxtaposed style of a dark and heavy lyrics coated in upbeat and fun melodies with “White Noise.” This song is about compassion, specifically compassion for children in need. “Fortunately my mother raised me to have one of those pathetic hearts.” says Fery “The moment I see someone who's hurting, especially kids, my heart breaks. Being a mother has taught me as well to care for every lost and hurting child.”
“White Noise”: https://soundcloud.com/wearehowls/white-noise
1/28/2015
INDIGO MUSIC FESTIVAL: this saturday
MELVINS, DEAFHEAVEN, BLONDE REDHEAD, Deerhoof, Moving Units, Kim Gordon, Mike Watt, Youth Code, The Warlocks, Morgan Delt, The Entrance Band & many more this Saturday!
Tickets Here http://observatoryoc.com/
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1/27/2015
Legendary Grunge-Punk Troubdours L7 Launch Kickstarter
L7: Pretend We’re Dead
Kickstarter Project Launches Today
Offering Fans Playful & Unique Rewards To Fund
Documentary Film L7: Pretend We're Dead
Directed By Sarah Price
Original Line-Up Reunites For Tour!
6/19: Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spain @ Azkena Rock Festival - TICKETS
6/20: Clisson, France @ Hell Fest - TICKETS
Watch: Reunion Announcement Video
Click Image Above To Watch Reunion Announcement Video
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"I like their rebelliousness …it’s about being liberated and calling the shots… I definitely see a lot of us in them… and we’re proud of that."
– Joey Ramone
“Songs like Wargasm, Diet Pill and Shitlist fulfill the ancient prophecy of a time when gurls would reinvent punk out of sheer delight in their own power”
– Robert Christgau
“Our fans couldn’t give a shit if we’re women… we did not set out to be an all girl band. It just happened that way."
– Donita Sparks
The infamously fierce, feminist pioneers of American grunge punk have announced a documentary film, directed by award-winning documentary filmmaker, Sarah Price (American Movie, The Yes Men, Summercamp) Titled L7: Pretend We're Dead, the film takes viewers on an all access journey into the 1990’s grunge movement that took the world by storm and the band that helped define it as the genre of a generation. Today they launch a Kickstarter, offering fans a remarkable array of rewards- including a potential séance with the band- as thanks for helping to fund the project. Go to theKickstarter project HERE to check out the full list and grab them while they are still available.
Culled from over 100 hours of vintage home movies taken by the band, never before seen performance footage, and candid interviews, L7: Pretend We're Dead chronicles the early days of the band's formation in 1985 to their height as the 'queens of grunge' and follows a roller coaster ride of triumphs and failures. It offers particularly revelatory insight into the band's eventual dissolution in 2001.
The formula: one part Donita’s love of pop and punk and one part Suzi’s hard rock and blues, charged with lyrics that had political bite and humor proved irresistible to the disenfranchised, the marginalized, and the punk. The excitement around the L7: Pretend We're Dead announcement has catalyzed a recently announced and widely anticipated reunion of the band in its original line-up. L7 will kick off a European tour, bringing their high-octane energy and anthemic chops to the stage to ignite audiences once again.
Kickstarter Project Launches Today
Offering Fans Playful & Unique Rewards To Fund
Documentary Film L7: Pretend We're Dead
Directed By Sarah Price
Original Line-Up Reunites For Tour!
6/19: Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spain @ Azkena Rock Festival - TICKETS
6/20: Clisson, France @ Hell Fest - TICKETS
Watch: Reunion Announcement Video
Click Image Above To Watch Reunion Announcement Video
Please Post & Share!
"I like their rebelliousness …it’s about being liberated and calling the shots… I definitely see a lot of us in them… and we’re proud of that."
– Joey Ramone
“Songs like Wargasm, Diet Pill and Shitlist fulfill the ancient prophecy of a time when gurls would reinvent punk out of sheer delight in their own power”
– Robert Christgau
“Our fans couldn’t give a shit if we’re women… we did not set out to be an all girl band. It just happened that way."
– Donita Sparks
The infamously fierce, feminist pioneers of American grunge punk have announced a documentary film, directed by award-winning documentary filmmaker, Sarah Price (American Movie, The Yes Men, Summercamp) Titled L7: Pretend We're Dead, the film takes viewers on an all access journey into the 1990’s grunge movement that took the world by storm and the band that helped define it as the genre of a generation. Today they launch a Kickstarter, offering fans a remarkable array of rewards- including a potential séance with the band- as thanks for helping to fund the project. Go to theKickstarter project HERE to check out the full list and grab them while they are still available.
Culled from over 100 hours of vintage home movies taken by the band, never before seen performance footage, and candid interviews, L7: Pretend We're Dead chronicles the early days of the band's formation in 1985 to their height as the 'queens of grunge' and follows a roller coaster ride of triumphs and failures. It offers particularly revelatory insight into the band's eventual dissolution in 2001.
The formula: one part Donita’s love of pop and punk and one part Suzi’s hard rock and blues, charged with lyrics that had political bite and humor proved irresistible to the disenfranchised, the marginalized, and the punk. The excitement around the L7: Pretend We're Dead announcement has catalyzed a recently announced and widely anticipated reunion of the band in its original line-up. L7 will kick off a European tour, bringing their high-octane energy and anthemic chops to the stage to ignite audiences once again.
TORRES announces new album 'Sprinter' + shares single
TORRES SIGNS TO PARTISAN RECORDS
FOR MAY 5 (US) / MAY 18 (UK) RELEASE OF SPRINTER
SHARES NEW SINGLE "STRANGE HELLOS"
ANNOUNCES SPRING TOUR DATES
INCLUDING SXSW AND PRIMAVERA SOUND
LISTEN: "Strange Hellos" via Pitchfork or Soundcloud
"Sprinter finds Mackenzie Scott pushing against the starkness of her 2013 self-titled debut into noisier, vicious rock without losing any of her razor-sharp songwriting." -Stereogum
"Minimalist songs and blistering anthems would fit seamlessly on a playlist alongside PJ Harvey, Cat Power and Emmylou Harris." -TIME Magazine (15 Artists To Watch in 2015)
Tracklisting:
FOR MAY 5 (US) / MAY 18 (UK) RELEASE OF SPRINTER
SHARES NEW SINGLE "STRANGE HELLOS"
ANNOUNCES SPRING TOUR DATES
INCLUDING SXSW AND PRIMAVERA SOUND
LISTEN: "Strange Hellos" via Pitchfork or Soundcloud
"Mackenzie Scott's voice conveys raw, urgent desperation, the sort we flinch from instinctually and are attuned, on a primal level, to heed." -Pitchfork (8.1 review for debut album)
"Sprinter finds Mackenzie Scott pushing against the starkness of her 2013 self-titled debut into noisier, vicious rock without losing any of her razor-sharp songwriting." -Stereogum
"Minimalist songs and blistering anthems would fit seamlessly on a playlist alongside PJ Harvey, Cat Power and Emmylou Harris." -TIME Magazine (15 Artists To Watch in 2015)
TORRES knows the darkness. The Brooklyn-based singer-songwriter otherwise known as Mackenzie Scott waits until anything-an idea, an emotion, a memory-gnaws at her, tearing at her fingers and throat until she releases it in song. Her husky voice strains against its human biological constraints like a wild-eyed horse, whispering desperately "Don't give up on me just yet" on one end and yowling about jealousy with unnerving intensity on the other. Following her self-titled debut in 2013, TORRES pushes herself to even noisier extremes on Sprinter, a punishing self-examination of epic spiritual and musical proportions.
"There's so much I want to sing, but there's no room for toothbrushes in poetry," Scott murmurs in a resilient quaver while barely fingering the strings of her guitar on "The Exchange," the final song and the heart of her second album. "That was the one that brewed the longest in my subconscious before I wrote it," says Scott. "It was just a tough one, no getting around it." The reason is right there in the beginning: she sings of her adopted mother losing her biological mother twice-once at birth and again when she discovered her adoption papers had been lost in a basement flood.
A keen awareness of Scott's place in her family and in the world suffuses Sprinter, contributing to themes of alienation throughout. "You're just a firstborn feeling left behind," she sings on the ominously brewing "Son, You Are No Island," which references one of Scott's influences on this record: English poet John Donne's 1624 poem "Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions." Scott's tortured wailing circles spirals downward around itself, reflecting in a dark mirror the feelings of an adopted child.
"Whether it be abandonment, or fear of rejection, or perhaps inability to connect with people, comes down to that fear of isolation, of not being good enough," she says. "Those are themes that have cropped up in my personal life, in my writing, and my mom can definitely understand that herself."
But Scott escaped the confines of her churning mind in order to find herself by recording Sprinter in the market town of Bridport in Dorset, England; and then at the Bristol studio of Portishead's Adrian Utley. With his guitar riffs and synthesizers lingering in the background like a lowland mist and PJ Harvey's Robert Ellis and Ian Olliver on rhythm-the two fortuitously reuniting 23 years after the release of Dry, and in Scott's 23rd year of living-she crafted a "space cowboy" record. "That's as simply as I can say it," says Scott, who cites inspirations as diverse as Funkadelic and Nirvana, Ray Bradbury and Joan Didion. "I wanted something that very clearly stemmed from my Southern conservative roots but that sounded futuristic and space-y at the same time."
It seems like an odd thing to look for in the picturesque seaside green, rolling hills in the south of England, but Scott had never been there before, and as a stranger in a strange land she found what she was looking for: a lost childhood. Sprinter was recorded in a room that had formerly been used as a children's nursery, which combined with the alien landscape fuels the self-searching that roils TORRES' music. "Cowboy Guilt" perfectly encapsulates the contrast of Deep South conservatism with future sounds, juxtaposing George W. Bush parodies with wearing one's Sunday best, bouncing on a mechanically whimsical melody.
After all, it was Scott's Baptist upbringing 4,000 miles away in Macon, GA that gave her a voice in the first place. When her parents gave her an acoustic guitar at age 15, after giving her flute and piano lessons before that, she would sing church hymns at the local nursing home to get over her stage fright. As Scott moved away from organized religion toward something far more real and personal ("I still think of myself as quite God-fearing," she says), she ranged farther from home, to Nashville-where she grappled with her outsider status yet again, faced with an insular music scene as hard to break into as if it were surrounded by England's famous hedgerows-and then to New York, where she finally felt another semblance of being at home.
"Nashville was just a bit too small for me," she says. "I don't really like walking down the street and knowing everyone that I see along the way. I was raised in a small town and there are very special things about it, but I don't prefer to live that way. I like the chaos of the city."
Tracklisting:
01. Strange Hellos
02. New Skin
03. Son, You Are No Island
04. A Proper Polish Welcome
05. Sprinter
06. Cowboy Guilt
07. Ferris Wheel
08. The Harshest Light
09. The Exchange
Tour Dates:
1/30 - Brooklyn, NY - Brooklyn Night Bazaar
3/18-22 - Austin, TX - SXSW
5/6 - Nashville, TN - The Stone Fox
5/8 - Dallas, TX - Club Dada
5/9 - Austin, TX - The Mohawk - inside
5/11 - Scottsdale, AZ - Pub Rock Live
5/12 - Los Angeles, CA - The Echo
5/13 - San Francisco, CA - Bottom of the Hill
5/15 - Portland, OR - Doug Fir Lounge
5/16 - Seattle, WA - Barboza
5/17 - Vancouver, BC - Electric Owl
5/20 - Minneapolis, MN - 7th St Entry
5/21 - Chicago, IL - The Empty Bottle
5/22 - Detroit, MI - UFO Factory
5/23 - Toronto, ON - The Garrison
5/31 - Barcelona, Spain - Primavera Sound
http://torrestorrestorres.com
https://www.facebook.com/TORRESMUSICOFFICIAL
https://twitter.com/torreslovesyou
https://soundcloud.com/torrestorrestorres
https://www.youtube.com/user/TORRESlovesyou
Tour Dates:
1/30 - Brooklyn, NY - Brooklyn Night Bazaar
3/18-22 - Austin, TX - SXSW
5/6 - Nashville, TN - The Stone Fox
5/8 - Dallas, TX - Club Dada
5/9 - Austin, TX - The Mohawk - inside
5/11 - Scottsdale, AZ - Pub Rock Live
5/12 - Los Angeles, CA - The Echo
5/13 - San Francisco, CA - Bottom of the Hill
5/15 - Portland, OR - Doug Fir Lounge
5/16 - Seattle, WA - Barboza
5/17 - Vancouver, BC - Electric Owl
5/20 - Minneapolis, MN - 7th St Entry
5/21 - Chicago, IL - The Empty Bottle
5/22 - Detroit, MI - UFO Factory
5/23 - Toronto, ON - The Garrison
5/31 - Barcelona, Spain - Primavera Sound
http://torrestorrestorres.com
https://www.facebook.com/TORRESMUSICOFFICIAL
https://twitter.com/torreslovesyou
https://soundcloud.com/torrestorrestorres
https://www.youtube.com/user/TORRESlovesyou
Little Dragon + Adult Swim release remix album
LITTLE DRAGON AND ADULT SWIM PRESENT CHOPNOTSLOP REMIX ALBUM BY OG RON C AND DJ CANDLESTICK NABUMA PURPLE RUBBERBAND OUT NOW VIA ADULT SWIM
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Today, Adult Swim and Little Dragon are proud to present a ChopNotSlop remix album by Chopstar's OG Ron C and DJ Candlestick. Being fans of the original album, the legendary Chopstars DJ's gave Nabuma Rubberband the Houston "Chopped N' Screwed" remix treatment, which was made famous by the late DJ Screw. Nabuma Purple Rubberband is available now via the Adult Swim website for stream and free download.
LISTEN/DOWNLOAD: Little Dragon - Nabuma Purple Rubberband
(ChopNotSlop Remix by OG Ron C & DJ Candlestick of the Chopstars) -
Little Dragon
Nabuma Rubberband
Out Now
Loma Vista Recordings
1. Mirror
2. Klapp Klapp
3. Pretty Girls
4. Underbart
5. Cat Rider
6. Paris
7. Lurad
8. Nabuma Rubberband
9. Only One
10. Killing Me
11. Pink Cloud
12. Let Go
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1/26/2015
Coachella sideshows including a lot of bands
Hey All,
Hope you are well. We have just announced a number of sideshows surrounding Coachella including -
- Caribou at Pappy & Harriet's Pioneertown on April 9th
- Balance and Composure at The Roxy on April 11th
- Desaparecidos w/ Touche Amore & Joyce Manor at The Roxy on April 13th
- FKA Twigs at the Theatre at Ace Hotel on April 14th
- Jenny Lewis at Pappy & Harriet's on Tuesday, April 14th
- Cloud Nothings at The Echo on Tuesday, April 14th
- The War on Drugs at Pappy & Harriet's on Wednesday, April 15th
- Chet Faker w/ XXYYXX at Club Nokia on Wednesday, April 15th
- Jamie XX / Jon Hopkins at Pappy & Harriet's on Thursday, April 16th
- Hivern Discs (feat. John Talabot, Pional, Marc Pinol) at Pappy & Harriet's (late) on Thursday, April 16th
- Belle and Sebastian w/ Mac Demarco at the Fox Theater on Thursday, April 16th
- Interpol w/ Perfume Genius at The Shrine Expo Hall on Thursday, April 16th
- Mikal Cronin at Center for the Arts, Eagle Rock on Friday, May 1st
On sales are spread out between January 29th, February 5th, and February 12th. Complete details at fyfpresents.com & goldenvoice.com or below.
THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN ANNOUNCES NORTH AMERICAN TOUR DATES
THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN ANNOUNCES NORTH AMERICAN TOUR DATES CELEBRATING THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF PSYCHOCANDYVIDEO: "NEVER UNDERSTAND" -
"the most notorious band since the Sex Pistols...Some of Psychocandy is beautifully wasted pop; some sounds like being trapped in a wind tunnel full of broken glass and bees; the rest sounds like both happening at once." - Dorian Lynskey, The Observer
"The Jesus and Mary Chain's debut is a decadent alt-rock masterpiece of bubblegum pop - with "Just Like Honey," "My Little Underground" and "Never Understand" - drowned in feedback." - Rolling Stone, The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time"Psychocandy was meant to be a kick in the teeth to all of those who stood in our way at the time, which was practically the whole music industry. In 1985 there were a great many people who predicted no more than a six month life span for the Mary Chain." - Jim Reid30 years on the band return - regularly cited by the media as one of the great rock'n'roll bands and by a raft of new groups as a major influence.THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN is now pleased to announce its first full US run of Psychocandy US tour dates, hitting new cities in May 2015. This will be the continuation of a year of activity not only celebrating the 30th anniversary of Psychocandy but also looking firmly ahead to the future.Tickets on sale Fri. Jan. 30th at 10am PSTTOUR DATES:05/01 Toronto, ON - Canadian Music Week
05/03 Detroit, MI - St Andrew's Hall05/05 Chicago, IL - Riviera05/07 Dallas, TX - The Bomb Factory05/09 Austin, TX - Levitation / Austin Psych Fest
05/11 Denver, CO - Ogden Theatre
05/13 Vancouver, BC - Vogue Theatre
05/14 Seattle, WA - Showbox
05/16 San Francisco, CA - Warfield
Read/ listen to recent interviews here:
Mikal Cronin returns with MCIII
On May 5, Mikal Cronin will return with MCIII. Marked by the lush arrangements, stunning melodies, and deeply personal lyrical work for which Cronin is now known, the album is also a deliberate attempt to simply “go big.”
As he did on his self-titled 2011 debut and 2013’s MCII, Cronin arranged and played nearly all of the record himself, including the tzouras, a traditional Greek string instrument he heard and subsequently bought while on tour in Athens. There’s French horn, saxophone, and trumpet. There are mood-altering crescendos and heartbreaking turns-of-phrase, guitars both gorgeous and pugnacious. No longer satisfied with the sound of “just one string player,” Cronin arranged parts for a full string quartet instead.
Listen & share “Made My Mind Up” from MCIII now, and pre-order the album at iTunes to receive an instant download of the track. The album is also available for pre-order on CD, LP, and cassette in the Merge store, where the first 500 LP orders will receive the album on clear vinyl. Limited quantities of the clear-vinyl run will also be available in independent stores worldwide on release day.
The Mikal Cronin band have announced tour dates beginning in February with more tour dates to come!
Mikal Cronin on tour:
Feb 21 Schaumburg, IL — Prairie Center for the Arts
Apr 22 San Francisco, CA — The Independent
Apr 24 Portland, OR — Doug Fir Lounge
Apr 25 Seattle, WA — The Tractor
May 1 Los Angeles, CA — Eagle Rock Center for the Arts
May 5 New York, NY — Bowery Ballroom
May 28 Barcelona, ES — PrimaveraSound, Barcelona
May 29 Nimes, FR — This is Not A Love Song Festival
May 31 Paris, FR — Maroquinerie
Jun 1 London, UK — 100 Club
Jun 2 Brussels, BE — Botanique
Jun 5 Ravenna, IT — Beaches Brew Festival
Jun 6 Athens, GR — Plissken Festival
Jun 8 Berlin, DE — Lido
Jun 9 Cologne, DE — Gebaude9
Jun 10 Amsterdam, NL — Bitterzoet
Feb 21 Schaumburg, IL — Prairie Center for the Arts
Apr 22 San Francisco, CA — The Independent
Apr 24 Portland, OR — Doug Fir Lounge
Apr 25 Seattle, WA — The Tractor
May 1 Los Angeles, CA — Eagle Rock Center for the Arts
May 5 New York, NY — Bowery Ballroom
May 28 Barcelona, ES — PrimaveraSound, Barcelona
May 29 Nimes, FR — This is Not A Love Song Festival
May 31 Paris, FR — Maroquinerie
Jun 1 London, UK — 100 Club
Jun 2 Brussels, BE — Botanique
Jun 5 Ravenna, IT — Beaches Brew Festival
Jun 6 Athens, GR — Plissken Festival
Jun 8 Berlin, DE — Lido
Jun 9 Cologne, DE — Gebaude9
Jun 10 Amsterdam, NL — Bitterzoet
1/25/2015
Letter from Joanna Newsom 2003
Noise Pop SF 2003 I would describe as "very mellow." At least the shows that I went to were that way. Although it started off with a pre-party with Har Mar Superstar. It was the first time I saw him, and would lead to many interviews later. I saw Stephen Malkmus, Cat Power, The Dirtbombs, The Von Bondies, The Pleased, Smog, Calexico, and more. It was probably memorable for being one of the first shows by Joanna Newsom. I ended up doing the very first interview with her, a few months afterwards, a year before her album came out.
I wrote Joanna a letter or an email. She sent me two eps and this letter in April 2003. I came back up to SF in June 2003 to do an interview with her.
I did an interview with:
Joanna Newsom (2003)
The Von Bondies (2003)
And later with:
The Pleased (2004)
Har Mar Superstar (2004)
The Dirtbombs (2004)
I did an interview with:
Joanna Newsom (2003)
The Von Bondies (2003)
And later with:
The Pleased (2004)
Har Mar Superstar (2004)
The Dirtbombs (2004)
Letter from Joanna Newsom 2003 Letter from Joanna Newsom 2003
Letter from Joanna Newsom 2003 Letter from Joanna Newsom 2003
1/24/2015
wolf alice [LA debut!]
chris douridas (kcrw) + mfg present School Night! Monday Nights at Bardot [CLICK HERE to RSVP for FREE ENTRY] Doors at 8pm / 21+ Free with RSVP / 18+ ok! |
Set Times
8pm ~ Doors
8:30pm ~ Sabila Sabila (LA DEBUT!)
9:30pm ~ Moors
10:30pm ~ Wolf Alice (LA DEBUT!)
11:30pm ~ Beginners
DJ in between live sets ~ Jimmy Tamborello (DNTEL, DUBLAB)
Closing DJ set by ~ AHBS
8:30pm ~ Sabila Sabila (LA DEBUT!)
9:30pm ~ Moors
10:30pm ~ Wolf Alice (LA DEBUT!)
11:30pm ~ Beginners
DJ in between live sets ~ Jimmy Tamborello (DNTEL, DUBLAB)
Closing DJ set by ~ AHBS
1/23/2015
The Growlers world tour
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1/21/2015
King Tuff’s “Headbanger” (Official Video) via Funny or Die
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